munnabhai made gandhi a LOOSER!

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:23:49 GMT

i saw the movie, it was quite good. though the age old drama existed and movie was based on previous version, it didnt bored neither irritated in fact it was very exciting!

the issues with gandhiji were handled pretty well, the movie as a whole was damn good, but everyone is giving credit to gandhigiri!! and not to its director though he managed to involve gandhi, and still could handle the subject very well without any controversy.

i dont know much about gandhi, frankly i havent read any single book on gandhi. but still i know he was a great man having his own different priciples and was always following the truth, no matter what.

as far as munnabhai goes, the movie was best..... in every aspect it was vry well handled irrespective of the previous movie, damn good story, good actors, comic, everything was damn good but i felt like ppl misinterprted the main subject of the gandhigiri!

on the 2nd october, newschannels were showing how ppl have adapted thmselves to the new phenomenon of gandhi, and how they were dealing with there problems in gandhi way!
but is it true? have we really followed exactly what gandhi wanted to say.... the news was about sending sms to officers about damaged roads, a jailed don being gifted roses by students and many more. ppl just took what they felt was trendy and just followed the movie!

do anyone today, use the pricipals of gandhi? i dont think anyone is even capable of following it. in fact ppl dont want to....... its just trend and a temporary change to hail for gandhi, just because a movie based on him was released!

gandhi was a hero in his own sense ........ he did what he truly belived in...... its not the question of will gandhigiri will work today or not, the question is why do we need munnabhai to convey the message which gandhi wanted to say? and that too not in true sense!! ppl copied funny instances from the movie, but did anyone stopped giving bribes or stopped investing in shares(its not crime i know, i just want to emphasis on effects) or stopped spitting on roads (i believe its the first step to go away from ur own country/state/town, if u cant feel the land belongs to u, how can u ever think of improving it?). none of these happend...... why? the only reason i feel is its not trendy and not funny.
who is going to notice u if u stop spitting? the things done are only to gather attraction and to be famous(for that small time?? hehe). why cant ppl seriously follow gandhi?

gandhi had many followers, but how many "gandhi" we see today? take shivaji's example, he too had his own priciples but all his men truly followed it and were loyal to him. they had the same mindset as that of their king, cause they could understand and relate to him. gandhi too didnt had complecated priciples but could he really convey the message? why could he not CREATE LEADER AMONGST FOLLOWERS?

and this is the very thing i notice after munnabhai. i know that i dont know much about gandhi, and will have to read and know much more about gandhi before commenting anything like this, but i just said what i felt ....... munnabhai gave the lesson that ppl still cant read between the lines.........

i have to read much more about gandhi and follow him truly!!

my argument with rohan patil on reservations

Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:01:11 GMT

ROHAN :i think u havent understood the problem of reservation at all... we are not opposing reservation totally ... what i want to say is that reservation based on caste is totally unjust... rest of the reservation catagories are not based on caste. india is a secular nation unlike pakistan...it's clearly mentioned in our constitution ... so why the hell do u need to give quotas based on caste???
i think reservations to some particular catagories are imp... but lower caste ppl shouldnt get it just because they are so called "backward"...the upper caste ppl are being punished for being upper caste ... that's nothing but unjustice... that is the reason why ppl like me go to usa for further studies...u see there are no seats in my own country ... i feel abondened by my fatherland...thats why i am against reservation based on caste!!!

is caste the criteria for reservation???

CHINMAY:1. the crremy layer is ment NOT to take any advantages of the reservations!! they r excluded!!

2. the same argument holds true when the lower cast was being punished for being lower cast!!!! where was the justice at that time??
3. yes, but it can develop even in open catsgory people!! thats why there EXIST middle class, otherwise there would have been only two classes, not mixable, not communable and two entirely different worlds!!
4. in my opinion they r paying for what they did!!was that justice at those times?? they should feel guilty for what they did.
5. thats the work of managers (like u) to motivate the people!! and the same argument in bracket can be made, if the seats r increased, the topmost person will happen to act like u described!!
it all depends on the persons view!!!(the things u described for company)

thats not true, they r poor!!! what u look at is just a few people from cities!!u dont seem to understand the concept of creamy layer!

ROHAN: yes ... u give reservation based on caste??? u know what the results of that are...
1.Only the creamy layer of the so called backward classes get all the benifits.
2. upper caste gets punished for being upper caste... its somehing which is not congenital....
3.it creates a sense of complacancy in lower caste ppl....
4.it creates a sense of unjustice in upper caste...
5.because 3 and 4 the overall efficiency gets reduced(cause lower caste ppl dont work because they know that their jobs are reserved irrespective of their performance... also upper caste dont work because they know that even if they perform well there are only a few seats and jobs for them ... so no body performs))

thats why this reservation is totally unjust ....and furthermore lower caste ppl get exempted from any tution fees .... its assumed that lower caste ppl are always pooor .... thats not true ... on the contrary they are quite rich because even ther parents and grandparents were also benefited from reservation.

CHINMAY:it all depends on the person, no one can change the greedy person, who cant think of the world other than himself!
its past what changed today! if the past were different the condition would have been definitly different and improved!
yes, thats the thing! there was no constitution to look after them, but why not now, when we have one?
its not spoonfeeding, its just giving opportunity, everyone has to prove himself! u can atleast give them opportunity, cant u?

i was just answerin ur points!
3.it creates a sense of complacancy in lower caste ppl....

i was talking abt this! re-read.
wait..... u r forgetting the person who was killed!! there needs to be some compensation!
no, i dont understand what u were talking abt prithviraj!
u can still achieve both motivational factors! just prove urself, if u cant there r two options, u either dont deserve it or there is something bigger and better waiting for u! u know which a wise person choose!!

ROHAN:here's my rebuttal...
1.though creamy layer is not meant to take advantage ,they are evidently taking it ... and there is no provision to stop them for doin so... they are reapin the benifits of reservation generation after generation... this has no end...
2.do not be so emotional abt the past ... its something which we cant change...in the past we didnt have a constitution ... nor law and order as we do today...thus today we must take all the decision that are justified...i am not saying that backward class shouldnt get equal opportunity... we should facillitate this but still they have to grab the opportunity rather than spoonfeeding them with reservation
3.ur thid point doesnt make sense...middle class is defined in terms of income and not caste ... so get ur fundas right abt that...there is no midddle class as far our argument is concerned...its either ur of lower caste or upper..

4. ur fourth point is prepostrous... we , that is our generation , didnt commit any atrocities(crimes) nor we are guilty of anything..there is no question of feeling guilty... suppose ur dad commited a murder...and he ran away ... should the police hang u for wht ur dad has done??? no offence... but its not how it works... revenge is not approved by indian
sanskriti...(remember prithviraj chauhaan)...
5.u talk abt motivation.... basic motivation of any employee is growth and achievement ... reservation has strangled both of these motivational factors...

and i know what the creamy layer is .... many of them are in my class... and i have taken the most generalised view of things in my opinions...so screw reservations and hail merit

CHINMAY:merit???????

this is the funniest and most stupid thing i have heard in all these days!!
dont u think its responsibility of the education system to take care of the merit of student?
they keep on saying that merit will be affected, but the person who gets above 40 is eligible to be called engineers according to system, dont u think its risky?? what if a civil engg mistakens for the calculations and bridge collapses?? then where is the merit? it can be open/cast/any other reservation engg, its education system who should think upon the merit of student!

ROHAN:nonsense ... thats the only thing i can say .... i dont want to waste ur time and whats infinitelly worse my time over this perpetual debate ...my gre is on 19th
u know nxt year main to U.S. main katale hai...all these"khalchya jaateetale lok" can go to hell and i am sure they will.... they deserve it... and lastly....
great ppl dont tell others that they are great.
i think u should see a shrink.

chinmay kulkarni: News and politics

munnabhai made gandhi a LOOSER!

my argument with rohan patil on reservations