read about the riots happening in maharashtra regarding ambedkar statue in kanpur....

who really did it? sometimes i even wonder if anyone doing such things is cought ever. and if he is caught, whats his crime really? desecration of a statue? its not that serious crime....(my opinion) and even in court they r not going to punish him for killing 3 ppl which was the result of the violent riots...(they should not), so whats really the point in being so furious about something which happend long away and done by unknown?

now who is responsible for all the loss to govt and private property? they burned like 125 st buses, 7 local trains and countless private vehicles......whos going to pay for all that? ultimately the govt loss is common man's loss, hes the one who pays taxes and make govt run, so didnt the protestors think a bit about themselves when govt will put some extra taxes to recover the loss? and what about the private property.... no one can be held in particular!!

the govt and police could not do anything for sure...(my opinion)! cause its true that if police had been tried to be some more strict it would have resulted in different issues! so what really the opposition did apart from asking resignations? (do they do anything different at any other evernt?) its not govt at fault, its law..... and not against desecration of statue, against protests!! there had to be better and strict laws against ppl doing such things and destroying other ppl's private properties!!(and more imp, they should be followed strictly). and the law should punish such ppl not on the basis of "innocent should not be punished", rather on the basis of "crime is crime"

the one who died in riots was protestor, killed by the sophesticated mob, due to his misbehaviour.....his family was offered some money and his bro, a govt job!! do we really need to? he was killed by cool headed ppl, not by the riotors, there must be some geniun reason for that....(though i dont know the details, event of ppl killing decoits, so u can consider the same case!, though it was not neccessary to KILL him....) govt should stop supporting such cases by showing sympathy!!

udhdhav thakare appealed to keep peace!! what the fuck..... i think he forgets things very fast!! he should recollect what he had said at dececration of his mother's statue, which was forgotten only due to blasts!! i m not saying he is saying anything wrong, but just want to laugh at his contradiction! i just found a reason to hate him more.......:D

anyway, r we really so immature to be offended so easily? what do we do when the actually burn the statues of the living ppl during protests? even flags? r we not concered with the feelings of those ppl? why do we always stay in past? when wil india grow up? in munnabhai, they had a take on this issue..(when munna meets old ppl for the first time).. so no one following munnabhai's gandhigiri now? so its clear that movies is no longer an influential media anymore!! (so why dont they lift the ban on star movies, desperatly waiting for it!;))

or is it that we pick only the wrong side or only bad things influence us?

i saw the movie, it was quite good. though the age old drama existed and movie was based on previous version, it didnt bored neither irritated in fact it was very exciting!

the issues with gandhiji were handled pretty well, the movie as a whole was damn good, but everyone is giving credit to gandhigiri!! and not to its director though he managed to involve gandhi, and still could handle the subject very well without any controversy.

i dont know much about gandhi, frankly i havent read any single book on gandhi. but still i know he was a great man having his own different priciples and was always following the truth, no matter what.

as far as munnabhai goes, the movie was best..... in every aspect it was vry well handled irrespective of the previous movie, damn good story, good actors, comic, everything was damn good but i felt like ppl misinterprted the main subject of the gandhigiri!




on the 2nd october, newschannels were showing how ppl have adapted thmselves to the new phenomenon of gandhi, and how they were dealing with there problems in gandhi way!
but is it true? have we really followed exactly what gandhi wanted to say.... the news was about sending sms to officers about damaged roads, a jailed don being gifted roses by students and many more. ppl just took what they felt was trendy and just followed the movie!

do anyone today, use the pricipals of gandhi? i dont think anyone is even capable of following it. in fact ppl dont want to....... its just trend and a temporary change to hail for gandhi, just because a movie based on him was released!





gandhi was a hero in his own sense ........ he did what he truly belived in...... its not the question of will gandhigiri will work today or not, the question is why do we need munnabhai to convey the message which gandhi wanted to say? and that too not in true sense!! ppl copied funny instances from the movie, but did anyone stopped giving bribes or stopped investing in shares(its not crime i know, i just want to emphasis on effects) or stopped spitting on roads (i believe its the first step to go away from ur own country/state/town, if u cant feel the land belongs to u, how can u ever think of improving it?). none of these happend...... why? the only reason i feel is its not trendy and not funny.
who is going to notice u if u stop spitting? the things done are only to gather attraction and to be famous(for that small time?? hehe). why cant ppl seriously follow gandhi?

gandhi had many followers, but how many "gandhi" we see today? take shivaji's example, he too had his own priciples but all his men truly followed it and were loyal to him. they had the same mindset as that of their king, cause they could understand and relate to him. gandhi too didnt had complecated priciples but could he really convey the message? why could he not CREATE LEADER AMONGST FOLLOWERS?





and this is the very thing i notice after munnabhai. i know that i dont know much about gandhi, and will have to read and know much more about gandhi before commenting anything like this, but i just said what i felt ....... munnabhai gave the lesson that ppl still cant read between the lines.........




i have to read much more about gandhi and follow him truly!!

was i in front of tv for entire 3 years? the movie is soooooooooo long and the fact that its boring and features srk makes it looooooooooooonger.

 

how would u feel if u r in fron of the tv for watching ODI and they repeat EACH over twice with commercials in between, the movie was no different. it  really sucks as srk's each movie. each scene was shown twice with srk and abhishek with songs as commercials (yea, all of the songs were disgusting)

 

i just could not understand the story, for me the story was over when srk and rani meet. the movie is so predictable and boring that u regret for watching the remaining movie.

 

srk- i hate him more now. and yes, i reallly liked that "aishwarya smile"(with one hand covering the half of the face). grow up srk, be a man, can u? for entire movie he is the biggest torture. no one can understand the things he does, the caracter is also very loud. if he is so irritated to the world why didnt he killed rani who made him what he was........and yes, no homework srk!! observe physically challeged ppl before u do any such roles. u could not do it! the expressions were pathetic(as usual), loud acting in the first half!(as usual). the worst of acting comes in the hospital when he is talking to rani

 

rani- do we see hindi alka kubal? why does she keeps crying alllllllll the time? has she acted in the movie? i could barely see her face through her hair and tears. character not developed and really shallow.(is this why they make a pair?)its never explained in movie why is she not happy with AB. i could barely understand the caracter.

 

zinta- this charactr is also cut short, not developed! only the thing i could see is loud makeup (that goes with rani too), yea we understand she is fashion something, but the makeup was tooooooooo loud to handle. zinta in an interview said u will fall in love with all 4 characteres and would want all of them happy, i could barely feel something about AB, he is only right and explainable.

 

rampal- barely for 3-4 scenes, he does well. again the relationship with zinta is neither ended nor started, whats the point? this is the only part where AB has no "mirror image" type of sory line (catherine was shown just for 1 min)! hey, how could zinta and AB let both of them go alone on AB's wedding again entire movie? with rani too, she met the stranger at the wedding day only! poor AB. the director should have shown rampal saying alvida to catherine!! god please help me, i dont want sequel, i dont want to see catherine crying like alka kubal throughout the movie!!

 

AB- he is the only sensible actor amongst the cast, only sensible caracter! can expect nomination for supporting role(yes, kj and yash can manage any dumb movie to get them award). hes not his natural, seems forced to act all the time!

 

bachchan- the only live character! this proves once again how he is compatible with any kind of directors and characters! he does it so well and with so effieciency and passion, hats off to him. now i could understand why he would do the roles in movies like lal badshah(that one was BETTER). he can work even with a child director!!!why was narrating sound was of srk, he could have done this! anyways he died and that would have given atleast one good thing. there was no sense in srk telling his own story(or there is? he does it all the time). and i dont understnd why he was shown "sexy sam",damn bad

 

arjun(child)-again what can u expect from kj? yea, i was waithing till end for that ddlj girl(i totally hate it when they mix movies it was ther in mohabbaten too) or was that girl part edited?

 

kj- just three words-"I HATE U". I have stopped expecting from this man, can he come out of fairy tales, that goes with srk too..... grow up! though the entir movie was predictable, the scenes too with replay with other couple, he could not manage to keep ppl engage. the story line was poor and scenes lengthy, heavy dialogues, forced expressions!!!! the supposed to be comedy scenes were not at all comedy neither was the love scenes. what bold step has he taken, everyone is talking about? the bed scene? we have seen them plenty! extra marital affair? we see them daily!and yes he has ruined the pair, not the romantic one but the AB- pair!! it was much better in sarkar(with same relationship) and good in bnb!

 

kiran kher- the only sensible and good character!

 

music- whoever made it, it really sucks big time. cant they be some silent, there was onlly one scene in entire movie where there was no music(i dont remember which one, thank god they forgot!)

 

DO NOT MAKE ANY SEQUEL.

DO NOT WATCH THE MOIVIE EVEN IF ITS ON TV.

SPARE BOTH ABS NEXT TIME.

BETTER LUCK RANI.

Participants: (&) chinmay [chinuvk@hotmail.com], shweta [shweta_r_4@hotmail.com]
Date: Jul 19 2006 - 6:49pm

i was chatting with shweta and i was really bored

 

 

(&) chinmay [ch ... : the person u r talking to is dead
shweta [shweta_ ... : hahaha
shweta [shweta_ ... : nice joke
(&) chinmay [ch ... : its not a joke
shweta [shweta_ ... : lisn chinmay are u depressed
(&) chinmay [ch ... : why dont u understand 
(&) chinmay [ch ... : hes dead
(&) chinmay [ch ... : just jumped out of the window
(&) chinmay [ch ... : i m cyber owner
(&) chinmay [ch ... : did u know him???
shweta [shweta_ ... : yeah rite
(&) chinmay [ch ... : say fast
shweta [shweta_ ... : will u shut up chinmay
(&) chinmay [ch ... : whom should i tell
(&) chinmay [ch ... : damn
(&) chinmay [ch ... : was he ur friend\
(&) chinmay [ch ... : did he know u?
shweta [shweta_ ... : 8-)
(&) chinmay [ch ... : do u have him home no.?
(&) chinmay [ch ... : hey
(&) chinmay [ch ... : we r taking him to nanavati
shweta [shweta_ ... : okay cool
(&) chinmay [ch ... : will u plz tell his family??
shweta [shweta_ ... : chinmay stop acting mad
(&) chinmay [ch ... : whos this kinjal
shweta [shweta_ ... : |-)

 

Participants: (&) chinmay [chinuvk@hotmail.com], kinjal [kinjalfuria@hotmail.com]
Date: Jul 19 2006 - 6:52pm

manwhile, kinjal signed in.............

 

 

(&) chinmay [ch ... : hey do u know me??
kinjal [kinjalf ... : who will not no a scholar like u
(&) chinmay [ch ... : the person using this id.......
(&) chinmay [ch ... : i not chinmay
(&) chinmay [ch ... : i m the cyber owner this person is seriously hurt
(&) chinmay [ch ... : do u have his home no......
kinjal [kinjalf ... : who r u
(&) chinmay [ch ... : ramesh
(&) chinmay [ch ... : i run cyber cafe in parle
(&) chinmay [ch ... : do u have his home no???
(&) chinmay [ch ... : u there
kinjal [kinjalf ... : ya
kinjal [kinjalf ... : but whats happened to him
kinjal [kinjalf ... : i cant give de no just to ny1
(&) chinmay [ch ... : madam there is no point in quarrleing
(&) chinmay [ch ... : why would i do such thing
(&) chinmay [ch ... : i m not any marketing agent
kinjal [kinjalf ... : ok wait for a second
(&) chinmay [ch ... : u want to save his life or not??

Participants: (&) chinmay [chinuvk@hotmail.com], kinjal [kinjalfuria@hotmail.com], shweta [shweta_r_4@hotmail.com]
Date: Jul 19 2006 - 7:02pm

i think kinjal believed it, and called shweta for being sure.........

 

(&) chinmay [ch ... : i asked this shweta madam
(&) chinmay [ch ... : but she is also not listening to me
(&) chinmay [ch ... : plz give his no
shweta [shweta_ ... : fer wat
(&) chinmay [ch ... : to tell his condition to his family
(&) chinmay [ch ... : listen
shweta [shweta_ ... : i jus spoke to him a few mins bac and he was perfectly okay
(&) chinmay [ch ... : i have no time
(&) chinmay [ch ... : i dont care i have to rush to hospital
shweta [shweta_ ... : chinmay just stop it
shweta [shweta_ ... : this is to much
shweta [shweta_ ... : and its not funny
(&) chinmay [ch ... : hell
(&) chinmay [ch ... : hes bleeding
(&) chinmay [ch ... : bye
shweta [shweta_ ... : okay get lost
kinjal [kinjalf ... : bye

 

 

 

 

Participants: (&) chinmay [chinuvk@hotmail.com], kinjal [kinjalfuria@hotmail.com]
Date: Jul 19 2006 - 7:07pm

me, for the first time apologying(is spelling right?).......

 

(&) chinmay [ch ... : scared or what???
(&) chinmay [ch ... : relax
(&) chinmay [ch ... : u there
(&) chinmay [ch ... : ??
kinjal [kinjalf ... : get lost
(&) chinmay [ch ... : sorry

ROHAN :i think u havent understood the problem of reservation at all... we are not opposing reservation totally ... what i want to say is that reservation based on caste is totally unjust... rest of the reservation catagories are not based on caste. india is a secular nation unlike pakistan...it's clearly mentioned in our constitution ... so why the hell do u need to give quotas based on caste???
i think reservations to some particular catagories are imp... but lower caste ppl shouldnt get it just because they are so called "backward"...the upper caste ppl are being punished for being upper caste ... that's nothing but unjustice... that is the reason why ppl like me go to usa for further studies...u see there are no seats in my own country ... i feel abondened by my fatherland...thats why i am against reservation based on caste!!!

is caste the criteria for reservation???

 

 

 

CHINMAY:1. the crremy layer is ment NOT to take any advantages of the reservations!! they r excluded!!

2. the same argument holds true when the lower cast was being punished for being lower cast!!!! where was the justice at that time??
3. yes, but it can develop even in open catsgory people!! thats why there EXIST middle class, otherwise there would have been only two classes, not mixable, not communable and two entirely different worlds!!
4. in my opinion they r paying for what they did!!was that justice at those times?? they should feel guilty for what they did.
5. thats the work of managers (like u) to motivate the people!! and the same argument in bracket can be made, if the seats r increased, the topmost person will happen to act like u described!!
it all depends on the persons view!!!(the things u described for company)

thats not true, they r poor!!! what u look at is just a few people from cities!!u dont seem to understand the concept of creamy layer!

 

 

ROHAN:  yes ... u give reservation based on caste??? u know what the results of that are...
1.Only the creamy layer of the so called backward classes get all the benifits.
2. upper caste gets punished for being upper caste... its somehing which is not congenital....
3.it creates a sense of complacancy in lower caste ppl....
4.it creates a sense of unjustice in upper caste...
5.because 3 and 4 the overall efficiency gets reduced(cause lower caste ppl dont work because they know that their jobs are reserved irrespective of their performance... also upper caste dont work because they know that even if they perform well there are only a few seats and jobs for them ... so no body performs))

thats why this reservation is totally unjust ....and furthermore lower caste ppl get exempted from any tution fees .... its assumed that lower caste ppl are always pooor .... thats not true ... on the contrary they are quite rich because even ther parents and grandparents were also benefited from reservation.

 

 

CHINMAY:it all depends on the person, no one can change the greedy person, who cant think of the world other than himself!
its past what changed today! if the past were different the condition would have been definitly different and improved!
yes, thats the thing! there was no constitution to look after them, but why not now, when we have one?
its not spoonfeeding, its just giving opportunity, everyone has to prove himself! u can atleast give them opportunity, cant u?

i was just answerin ur points!
3.it creates a sense of complacancy in lower caste ppl....

i was talking abt this! re-read.
wait..... u r forgetting the person who was killed!! there needs to be some compensation!
no, i dont understand what u were talking abt prithviraj!
u can still achieve both motivational factors! just prove urself, if u cant there r two options, u either dont deserve it or there is something bigger and better waiting for u! u know which a wise person choose!!

 

 

ROHAN:here's my rebuttal...
1.though creamy layer is not meant to take advantage ,they are evidently taking it ... and there is no provision to stop them for doin so... they are reapin the benifits of reservation generation after generation... this has no end...
2.do not be so emotional abt the past ... its something which we cant change...in the past we didnt have a constitution ... nor law and order as we do today...thus today we must take all the decision that are justified...i am not saying that backward class shouldnt get equal opportunity... we should facillitate this but still they have to grab the opportunity rather than spoonfeeding them with reservation
3.ur thid point doesnt make sense...middle class is defined in terms of income and not caste ... so get ur fundas right abt that...there is no midddle class as far our argument is concerned...its either ur of lower caste or upper..

4. ur fourth point is prepostrous... we , that is our generation , didnt commit any atrocities(crimes) nor we are guilty of anything..there is no question of feeling guilty... suppose ur dad commited a murder...and he ran away ... should the police hang u for wht ur dad has done??? no offence... but its not how it works... revenge is not approved by indian
sanskriti...(remember prithviraj chauhaan)...
5.u talk abt motivation.... basic motivation of any employee is growth and achievement ... reservation has strangled both of these motivational factors...

and i know what the creamy layer is .... many of them are in my class... and i have taken the most generalised view of things in my opinions...so screw reservations and hail merit

 

 

CHINMAY:merit???????

 

this is the funniest and most stupid thing i have heard in all these days!!
dont u think its responsibility of the education system to take care of the merit of student?
they keep on saying that merit will be affected, but the person who gets above 40 is eligible to be called engineers according to system, dont u think its risky?? what if a civil engg mistakens for the calculations and bridge collapses?? then where is the merit? it can be open/cast/any other reservation engg, its education system who should think upon the merit of student!

 

 

ROHAN:nonsense ... thats the only thing i can say .... i dont want to waste ur time and whats infinitelly worse my time over this perpetual debate ...my gre is on 19th
u know nxt year main to U.S. main katale hai...all these"khalchya jaateetale lok" can go to hell and i am sure they will.... they deserve it... and lastly....
great ppl dont tell others that they are great.
i think u should see a shrink.